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 Your Network and IE6

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TNO

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Your Network and IE6 Friday, May 01, 2009 4:18 AM (permalink)
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IE6 is the bane of most browser developers, and yet its popularity continues within intranets regardless of the
security risks and lack of feature support. If your network continues to use this archaic browser, why? Is it
because of dirt old applications built on top of it? Is it because you're afraid of breaking something?
Is it because your running Windows 2000 still?
To iterate is human, to recurse divine. -- L. Peter Deutsch
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    ebgreen

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    RE: Your Network and IE6 Friday, May 01, 2009 4:41 AM (permalink)
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    We are not afraid of breaking internal apps...we know for a fact that we will break internal apps.
    "... when you are good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit!" - The Tick
    Goog places to start:http://www.visualbasicscript.com/m_24727/tm.htm
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      TNO

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      RE: Your Network and IE6 Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:02 AM (permalink)
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      Something as simple as an <img/> tag in a webpage could be enough to compromise the IE6 browser. How do you mitigate such security concerns without making the browser practically worthless for normal browsing? For the most part, are these applications so complex that the time to rewrite/tweak is greater than the potential risk? I'm truly curious to hear the arguments straight from the System Admins experience so I could provide feedback to other developers trying to crack through this perpetual lock in time.
      To iterate is human, to recurse divine. -- L. Peter Deutsch
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        RE: Your Network and IE6 Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:11 AM (permalink)
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        Not my decision, but it really is a management Risk/Benefit/Cost analysis. All we can do is to explain what the risks are then management does the analysis. Generally speaking this means nothing will change until there is an actual incident.
        "... when you are good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit!" - The Tick
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        http://www.visualbasicscript.com/m_47117/tm.htm
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          RE: Your Network and IE6 Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:18 PM (permalink)
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          Check out this site. http://www.ie6nomore.com/
          Maybe you could flash a message to people that they are using an outdated browser. Even if the browsing experience is not adversly affected.
          If every website warned you then you would get sick and tired of it and commit to upgrade. I am going to put it on my personal web sites.
           
          We know about corporate aps that are dependant on IE6 but are there any websites that are dependant on old browsers too?.
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            RE: Your Network and IE6 Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:51 PM (permalink)
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            To iterate is human, to recurse divine. -- L. Peter Deutsch
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              RE: Your Network and IE6 Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:39 PM (permalink)
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              Hi TNO,
              The place that graph came from says 3 out of 4 people cant upgrade because of a technical or workplace reason.
              So I recon as long as XP is the corporate work horse, ie6 will be around.
               
              Here is another one
              http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
              It is my observation that the majority of people going to w3schools wont be people with older browsers.
               
              w3Schools compared to wiki there is 30% short fall of ie users
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer
               
              We will be rolling out xp onto ~1000 computers in the next year, hopefully I can get ie7 into them.
               
               
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                RE: Your Network and IE6 Friday, August 07, 2009 3:08 AM (permalink)
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                XP isn't the reason we can't upgrade at work. It is internal apps. So until the people that don't like IE6 give us the money (I would estimate $500,00+) to upgrade the apps or they are willing to fire my coworkers to free up the money, then we will keep using IE6. I don't like it but it is reality. I understand that it is a security risk, but that is a potential cost to the business. Upgrading apps that already work perfectly well is a definite cost.
                "... when you are good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit!" - The Tick
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                  RE: Your Network and IE6 Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:57 PM (permalink)
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                    RE: Your Network and IE6 Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:28 AM (permalink)
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                    I can't understand how crucial software (designed to manipulate datas for companies) are so much reliant on a piece of crap is is ever evolving...:shock::shock:
                    Why did the program designer opted for a IE dependency in the first place?
                    This is by istelf insane and must be addressed.
                    Fred
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                      RE: Your Network and IE6 Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:43 PM (permalink)
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                      Well, people assumed Microsoft would continue to update their product, not sit there for 10 years until Mozilla came along and gave them a run for their money. They don't have a problem keeping Microsoft Office, or Visual Studio up to date.  I don't blame the programmer for this.
                      To iterate is human, to recurse divine. -- L. Peter Deutsch
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                        Re:Your Network and IE6 Monday, December 07, 2009 8:36 AM (permalink)
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                        It really depends on the company.
                         
                        Where I am it moves very slow because of the nature of the business Banking.
                        We have many web based applications but they are I/T applications I'm using IE 7, I can't live without tabs :-)
                         
                        A guy I know in the energy industry is running IE 8 on Vista and they are looking at W7E within the next 2 years.
                         
                         
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                          Re:Your Network and IE6 Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:34 AM (permalink)
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                          The print processor in IE 7 & 8 is so much better then IE 6, I can't believe everyone has not switched just because of that.
                          Sam

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                            Re:Your Network and IE6 Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:42 PM (permalink)
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                            Really? Printing is the most common activity that your web apps does?
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                              Re:Your Network and IE6 Friday, December 11, 2009 2:39 AM (permalink)
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                              We are finally, migrating to IE7.  It is a slow process but we are on the move.  The main reason holding us back have been 2 web apps.  Both apps worked with IE7, but the fact that the vendor didn't support the versions we were using on IE7.  Once we upgraded those apps we were able to move it IE7.
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                                Re:Your Network and IE6 Friday, December 11, 2009 3:16 AM (permalink)
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                                ebgreen


                                Really? Printing is the most common activity that your web apps does?


                                Not my apps but the managers want all time sheets printed (clarity) the way IE 7 can format a page is so much better than IE6 it's not funny.
                                IE 6 page formatting is kind of dependent on the resolution of the monitor. Some folks like BIG text so it's easy to see.
                                I didn't write it, I didn't set the policy, I just have to live with it 8-O
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                                  Re:Your Network and IE6 Friday, December 11, 2009 3:25 AM (permalink)
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                                  We started rolling out IE7. Of course the first group we piloted to has a critical web app that is not compatible with IE7, so...
                                  "... when you are good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit!" - The Tick
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                                    Re:Your Network and IE6 Monday, May 17, 2010 5:19 PM (permalink)
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                                    http://www.microsoft.com/australia/technet/ie8milk/
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