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 You’re Fat and I Hate You (frameworks & libraries) - 4/17/2008 12:28:20 PM   
  TNO


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A pretty well known Web Developer (James Edwards a.k.a brothercake) posted an article I thought might be interesting to share.
http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/04/17/youre-fat-and-i-hate-you/

For some reason it reminds me of an essay by Paul Graham on Java: http://www.paulgraham.com/javacover.html

Often Times I feel the same way towards the .NET framework. Whats your feeling on this? Is the hype and excessive abstraction making worse programmers in general?

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 RE: You’re Fat and I Hate You (frameworks & libraries) - 5/8/2008 5:49:56 PM   
  DiGiTAL.SkReAM


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I dunno.  It seems to me, that if you are writing in anything other than assembly, you are subject to code bloat, slower code, etc.
I guess the idea is to draw the line at a point where the bloat and performance hits are outweighed by the ease-of-coding of the language.
For me, since I only write admin-helper scripts, I can handle a few extra seconds to finish a script.
But just because one person can't or doesn't want to, doesn't mean it is a bad thing, it is just to their taste/requirements.

This reminds me much of the linux vs. windows debates.
You've got linux guys who preach endlessly about how terrible windows is, and how wonderful linux is.
Then, you take a windows-only guy, and he decides to try out this luinux stuff.  Only he gets stuck.
he runs into a problem getting his sound subsystem to work.  he posts a question in the linux "help" forums, and
is immediately ridiculed for not either a) not already knowing how to fix it, b) not writing his own drivers in c and recompiling the kernel to fit his particular hardware, or c) told to go read every linux book written since 1984 in an effort to understand the 'theory' behind the sound subsystem in linux.
So the guy lifts a particular finger to the forums and to linux, and reinstalls windows.

i find that many programmers seem to be very arrogant and stuck-up concerning what languages one writes in.
C guys look down on C++ guys (why not just write those routines yourself? har har)
Java guys - well, Java guys are too busy watching buffy the vampire slayer to worrry about taunting other coders.
C++ guys look down on Visual Basic guys
and Visual Basic guys look down on java guys.

Oh yeah, python coders throw everyone the finger, finish writing their code and watch Buffy over the java guys' shoulders so they have plausible deniability.

And everyone, EVERYONE spits on vbscript guys because we aren't *real* programmers, we're just jumped-up script-kiddies.



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